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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by Generation AudioBoo: how journalism students are interacting online &#171; @jtownend</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Generation AudioBoo: how journalism students are interacting online &#171; @jtownend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] projects, developing content and building up a portfolio of interactive work. As Rosie Niven has noted on her blog, there are potential pitfalls students need to look out for when attempting to interact in the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by Generation AudioBoo: how journalism students are interacting online &#124; Online Journalism Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Generation AudioBoo: how journalism students are interacting online &#124; Online Journalism Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by rosieniven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rosieniven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Any would-be journalist needs to understand and make sense of the world around them and build relationships with people. What better place to start to learn this than the area where you live or study? &quot;

Great advice Ben. As a Sheffield University graduate I agree that the relationship has worked in the city, certainly better than in Leeds where neighbourhoods have become student ghettos (although I understand that things are changing for the better in Leeds).

I think that students have potential to put something back into the community whatever they are studying and creating a quality, sustainable hyperlocal blog is a excellent way of doing this. And as you say the odd one could even rival mainstream media. Maybe this is something that university enterprise hubs should be supporting?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any would-be journalist needs to understand and make sense of the world around them and build relationships with people. What better place to start to learn this than the area where you live or study? &#8221;</p>
<p>Great advice Ben. As a Sheffield University graduate I agree that the relationship has worked in the city, certainly better than in Leeds where neighbourhoods have become student ghettos (although I understand that things are changing for the better in Leeds).</p>
<p>I think that students have potential to put something back into the community whatever they are studying and creating a quality, sustainable hyperlocal blog is a excellent way of doing this. And as you say the odd one could even rival mainstream media. Maybe this is something that university enterprise hubs should be supporting?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by benlowndes</title>
		<link>http://rosieniven.co.uk/2012/02/20/student-journalists-and-the-pitfalls-of-community-engagement/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[benlowndes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sheffielders weary of students? That was the story long before hyper-local blogging appeared! 

I went from being one of those student journalists in the mid 1990s to working on the Sheffield Star and reporting on problems between students and their local neighbours. 

On the whole, though, it&#039;s a relationship that has worked well in Sheffield, demonstrated in part by the fact that the city has a high retention rate of students after they graduate. 

Any would-be journalist needs to understand and make sense of the world around them and build relationships with people. What better place to start to learn this than the area where you live or study?  

And if some of those hyperlocal blogs you refer to turned into businesses that gave the city media a run for its money on its own patch, you could end up with a more thriving local news scene than the one you have in many English cities at the moment. Now that really would be worth supporting and I am sure many Sheffielders who are only-too-weary of the quality of local news they get from established media organisations would be thankful for that too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheffielders weary of students? That was the story long before hyper-local blogging appeared! </p>
<p>I went from being one of those student journalists in the mid 1990s to working on the Sheffield Star and reporting on problems between students and their local neighbours. </p>
<p>On the whole, though, it&#8217;s a relationship that has worked well in Sheffield, demonstrated in part by the fact that the city has a high retention rate of students after they graduate. </p>
<p>Any would-be journalist needs to understand and make sense of the world around them and build relationships with people. What better place to start to learn this than the area where you live or study?  </p>
<p>And if some of those hyperlocal blogs you refer to turned into businesses that gave the city media a run for its money on its own patch, you could end up with a more thriving local news scene than the one you have in many English cities at the moment. Now that really would be worth supporting and I am sure many Sheffielders who are only-too-weary of the quality of local news they get from established media organisations would be thankful for that too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by rosieniven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rosieniven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comment Patrick. I suppose, if anything, this experience will be a good lesson in how not to engage with your community. Hopefully, a tutor will respond by giving them some pointers like the ones given in these comments and on the original thread about how to engage better with people on online forums. It would be interesting to see what strategies the other groups used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Patrick. I suppose, if anything, this experience will be a good lesson in how not to engage with your community. Hopefully, a tutor will respond by giving them some pointers like the ones given in these comments and on the original thread about how to engage better with people on online forums. It would be interesting to see what strategies the other groups used.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by Patrick Smith (@psmith)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Smith (@psmith)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very interesting case study. I have sympathy with the Sheffield Forum users on this. The students should have approached them in a different way. If I was a user of that site and the first contact I had with a student journalist was:

&quot;So if you have any stories, regardless of how &quot;un-newsworthy&quot; you think they may be, share them on here!&quot;

... I fear I may have given a similar response. It&#039;s not incumbent on the users to tell the journalist what&#039;s happening - the journalists should be listening and watching. As &quot;Strix&quot; rightly says: &quot;There&#039;s actually no need to log in here and ask US to do the work for you. If you&#039;d bothered to read your way down the &#039;sheffield discussions&#039; list you&#039;d have most likely found everything you need&quot;.

That user has been on that site for eight years and someone joins up in a day and wants to get involved. The response is one of &quot;who the hell are you anyway?&quot; It&#039;s like walking up to a group of people in a pub and stopping the conversation.

The big picture is perhaps that this was a useful exercise for the students, however, so perhaps it&#039;s a worthwhile experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting case study. I have sympathy with the Sheffield Forum users on this. The students should have approached them in a different way. If I was a user of that site and the first contact I had with a student journalist was:</p>
<p>&#8220;So if you have any stories, regardless of how &#8220;un-newsworthy&#8221; you think they may be, share them on here!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; I fear I may have given a similar response. It&#8217;s not incumbent on the users to tell the journalist what&#8217;s happening &#8211; the journalists should be listening and watching. As &#8220;Strix&#8221; rightly says: &#8220;There&#8217;s actually no need to log in here and ask US to do the work for you. If you&#8217;d bothered to read your way down the &#8216;sheffield discussions&#8217; list you&#8217;d have most likely found everything you need&#8221;.</p>
<p>That user has been on that site for eight years and someone joins up in a day and wants to get involved. The response is one of &#8220;who the hell are you anyway?&#8221; It&#8217;s like walking up to a group of people in a pub and stopping the conversation.</p>
<p>The big picture is perhaps that this was a useful exercise for the students, however, so perhaps it&#8217;s a worthwhile experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right in what you say, Ed. The trick for me is not to think of them as &#039;student&#039; anything. They need to be contributors in the same way that non-students are. Otherwise getting content for an assessment becomes more of an issue than creating content for the site&#039;s audience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right in what you say, Ed. The trick for me is not to think of them as &#8216;student&#8217; anything. They need to be contributors in the same way that non-students are. Otherwise getting content for an assessment becomes more of an issue than creating content for the site&#8217;s audience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by rosieniven</title>
		<link>http://rosieniven.co.uk/2012/02/20/student-journalists-and-the-pitfalls-of-community-engagement/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rosieniven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comment Ed and the link to your blog - some great advice on there about not relying too much on student bloggers and on having a proper handover. It sounds a tricky business finding the right person to take on a site and handing it over, as Richard recently found.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Ed and the link to your blog &#8211; some great advice on there about not relying too much on student bloggers and on having a proper handover. It sounds a tricky business finding the right person to take on a site and handing it over, as Richard recently found.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by Ross</title>
		<link>http://rosieniven.co.uk/2012/02/20/student-journalists-and-the-pitfalls-of-community-engagement/#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Rosie,

At present we operate a regional site, but are working on plans to drill it down to hyperlocal level. But for me the key is not to tie it to a module. Instead it needs to be a project that has the hyperlocal value at heart - it shouldn&#039;t be done by students because they have to, but because they want to.

The other thing I&#039;m keen to ensure when we do push hyperlocals out is that they are for the benefit of the community rather than as an education tool. As a hyperlocal publisher myself, it&#039;s one thing I&#039;ve had to realise - to be a success you need to be part of the community rather than preaching to it.

Inspired by your blog post, I put out some more views here: http://thejournalismnotepad.co.uk/2012/02/20/university-hyperlocal-sites-need-to-be-more-than-just-educational-tools/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rosie,</p>
<p>At present we operate a regional site, but are working on plans to drill it down to hyperlocal level. But for me the key is not to tie it to a module. Instead it needs to be a project that has the hyperlocal value at heart &#8211; it shouldn&#8217;t be done by students because they have to, but because they want to.</p>
<p>The other thing I&#8217;m keen to ensure when we do push hyperlocals out is that they are for the benefit of the community rather than as an education tool. As a hyperlocal publisher myself, it&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;ve had to realise &#8211; to be a success you need to be part of the community rather than preaching to it.</p>
<p>Inspired by your blog post, I put out some more views here: <a href="http://thejournalismnotepad.co.uk/2012/02/20/university-hyperlocal-sites-need-to-be-more-than-just-educational-tools/" rel="nofollow">http://thejournalismnotepad.co.uk/2012/02/20/university-hyperlocal-sites-need-to-be-more-than-just-educational-tools/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Student journalists in the community: Learning and legacy by Ed Walker (@ed_walker86)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Walker (@ed_walker86)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the mention Rosie, very kind! It&#039;s a good issue and one that universities certainly need to manage - as you can end up with hundreds of students calling the same council press office when working on a story.

With Blog Preston we could probably improve our relationship with the local university further, we have an informal one with them at the moment - rather than the type of one that Richard mentioned he has with Huddersfield in an earlier comment.

I think the key is just to stick around when it comes to hyperlocal. So many sites start up and say &#039;NEWS FOR YOUR AREA&#039; but it&#039;s tumbleweed after a week or so. Part of that is to ensure you keep an open mind when it comes to content and contributors, and the longer you stick around for the easier it becomes to create content.

I wrote a post last Autumn about handing over Blog Preston to the likes of Jo and Andy and what that taught me: http://www.edwalker.net/blog/2011/10/05/handing-over-a-hyperlocal-site/

For students though, it&#039;s a good experience to be told to &quot;do one&quot;, as you&#039;ll often find a similar reaction when working for local/regional/national media!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the mention Rosie, very kind! It&#8217;s a good issue and one that universities certainly need to manage &#8211; as you can end up with hundreds of students calling the same council press office when working on a story.</p>
<p>With Blog Preston we could probably improve our relationship with the local university further, we have an informal one with them at the moment &#8211; rather than the type of one that Richard mentioned he has with Huddersfield in an earlier comment.</p>
<p>I think the key is just to stick around when it comes to hyperlocal. So many sites start up and say &#8216;NEWS FOR YOUR AREA&#8217; but it&#8217;s tumbleweed after a week or so. Part of that is to ensure you keep an open mind when it comes to content and contributors, and the longer you stick around for the easier it becomes to create content.</p>
<p>I wrote a post last Autumn about handing over Blog Preston to the likes of Jo and Andy and what that taught me: <a href="http://www.edwalker.net/blog/2011/10/05/handing-over-a-hyperlocal-site/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edwalker.net/blog/2011/10/05/handing-over-a-hyperlocal-site/</a></p>
<p>For students though, it&#8217;s a good experience to be told to &#8220;do one&#8221;, as you&#8217;ll often find a similar reaction when working for local/regional/national media!</p>
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